Slipped in the Web Sewers

by Splork on August 23, 2010

True to form, I have added too much shit into my web sewer pipe. Not content with simply building tight and functional niche sites I inexplicably decided I wanted to be a purveyor of email lists and Google News sites. The former is something I have always fought against, obviously to my financial detriment. They say the money is in the list. If you can sign enough people up to receive your daily/weekly/monthly marketing offerings, then you are golden. The latter is the latest gambit in the quest to get to the number one spot in Google listings. It’s a fine technique, one in which will consume every moment of your existence.

I don’t like email lists. I’m not a fan of being on them and I don’t like creating extra shit to service them. Some of the best marketers have asked me time and again why I don’t run email lists. They say Lost Ball has massive potential if only I collected emails. The story goes I should email people that I have updated my blog. Or have something to sell. Basically the goal of every website should be to build an email list. The web site is simply a collection of words that gets in the way of a pop up or landing page or sign up form.

I get the idea. I subscribe to financial and political newsletters that sell the shit out of their offerings. To the point it is incredibly annoying. The value of the newsletters overcome the constant sales pitch, but I feel like I have to swim through a layer of slime to get to the content. Fair enough. They have to make money somehow to provide the information.

But does every 20 page web site need an auto responder series? The true salesman and professional marketer would say hell yes.

I remember the one training day I suffered through in MLM hearing that for every 100 people you come into contact with 5 might have an interest. Out of those 5 you might get to do a follow up pitch to 3. Out of those 3 you might make a sale to 1. I look at the odds as stacked against me. The salesman see the odds stacked in his favor thinking that out of 100 people, one is going to buy his shit. He’s going to find that fucker. There could not be two different people on this planet.

Building a site for Google News is a bitch. Like I have time. I am fairly adept at writing and can take news and spin it around in my own words. Having a website accepted into Google News can be extremely useful and lucrative. It takes a lot of work. You have to report on news in a variety of categories and have lots of reporters listed as working for your news site. Of course the idea is to make up 6-8 writers and go out and re-write other news stories. So I have a news site I am building out with categories on Sports, Travel, Features, Tech, Entertainment and Finance. I have 6 writers “working” for me. I re-write daily news items. At some point in the next month I should have built out the site enough to possibly get accepted to GN.

So what’s the point? Like I think I can compete with New York Times, AP, and Newsweek? Nope. But the idea is to report on stories that have high Adsense or CPM payouts with little competition. If you write a series of reports on 401(k) plans then maybe you will have few news sites to compete with but your listing will land on top of the Google search results no matter how badass those websites are. News trumps bullshit webpages. If you are writing about Obamacare with the other 1,000 news outlets then you won’t get listed or make much money. But reporting on news that are searched for and pay out could make you a bundle. At least that is the theory.

Yes, it’s rather bogus and GN will make getting accepted and staying accepted insanely hard. You can’t fake competence with GN. There are like 20,000 news sites accepted into GN. They can keep an eye on all of them. If you can write the news and provide real reporting then you are golden. But can you do it consistently? Or even want to?

I’m having a hard time forcing myself to do email marketing. It seems like it is something I should do but I hate the idea and execution. Google News is something new. I like the challenge of getting a site accepted but to what end?

Servicing the web sewers bores me. I am guilty of constantly trying to discover something that will keep my interest and fill my PayPal account. The funny thing is that I always come back to building simple XSP niche sites. Fat Cat Blueprint man.

I also feel the need to diversify. If Google turns to crap at least you can flog the shit out of your email list and sell products. Why not build news sites to see if an opportunity exists? But as long as I have been at this I have the best luck with static sites. I can write 10 long pages and slap Adsense on there and make money. I can create a Squidoo page and make a little money. I can build a Hubpage and make a little money. I can build a niche site for a Shareasale or CJ product. As long as I keep it real I make real money. But when I fuck around with tools and tactics and bullshit I lose my way and I start losing money (or losing the opportunity for more money).

But to put a fine point on this sewage, you damn well almost have to outsource, if you are going to chase the latest and newest tactics. There is no way you can write 20 pages of web garbage, a bonus ebook and an autoresponder series in volume. Sure you can knock out one a month or so. And to write shit for your Google News sites will drive you insane. Sure you can rewrite some news stories. It doesn’t take me much times at all. But the juice of this operation is to find a news story that sticks around and that you can write about 10-20 news articles over a period of time that has big Adsense payouts. Of course the rest of the categories have to be serviced at some point too. And lets not forget that you have to do your keyword research. Crazy.

Seems the economy is bringing aboard new riders on the “make money online” express. Good fucking luck people. There are more clueless people diving into the sewers than I have ever seen. Sure everybody has to start somewhere but no one wants to start at the beginning, you know? They are having a hard time simply writing 20 articles and in lieu are having an even more difficult time finding some hut dweller to write for them. So now it seems there is almost desperation among the lumpen to find people to write shit for them. I even succumbed to outsourcing. Got back a nice pack of articles for the effort.

Outsourcing articles is the shit. There are millions of folks in the third world that are educated in English better than most in the United States and are just beginning to pull themselves out of poverty. They can write as well as an 8th grader in the States and that is apparently good enough for the web sewers. $5 an article in the States is nothing. If someone says they can write one for that then figure they are outsourcing your outsourcing to a hut somewhere in the Caribbean. The whole chain is rather humorous where ultimately some joker is writing 400 words for a couple of bucks. Crazy.

I’m not against outsourcing. If you have a lot of projects going on you need help. If you do email marketing you need folks to create auto responder series and bonus reports. If you want to do Google News then you need some folks to re-write your news.  Building niche sites require a lot of articles. Not to mention articles for directories, getting back links, etc. There is not enough time to do it all. But I try and burnout. And finding good people to economically do work for you that you would be happy with is a bitch.

As a web sewer magician I can create more articles in a week than some will create in a lifetime. But I can service only so much in the sewers. I have no business trying to create multiple shitpiles to send into the sewers. Email list building, Google News, Niche sites…it’s all a little much. And as you can tell driving me a bit loony.

I would do much better if I simply stuck with one idea. I get bored and can’t. Understand I have to go through this spastic exercise of discovery and burn out to realize what I need to focus on. I find it useful and interesting but I find I will come back to the same sewers I always serviced. You know, people make a lot of money selling cars, or insurance or vacuum cleaners. Doesn’t mean that I have an interest in doing it. To me the shitty means do not justify the lucrative ends. There are a lot of shitty means  in the web sewers.

So I headed down the wrong sewer pipe. Fuck it. Time to get back in the right sewer and do what I do and stop trying to do everything and shit I don’t like.

This post is ridiculous, long and rambling. I got a bit sidetracked. I feel better when I write about it. I’m going to re-focus my efforts on keyword research, articles writing, and promotion of XSP niche sites. Think FCB. It’s what I do.

And by the way, Wired magazine says the web is dead. That apps is where it’s at. I told you that and pondered what we were going to do to make sales in the age of screen tappers. I’ll yap more about this later.

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Joe August 23, 2010 at 7:24 pm

Griz is enthusiastic about the Google news sites as well. I’d try it, but I just don’t have the energy at the moment with all the other crap i’m pushing out there. Good luck though, be interested to see how it all pans out for you.

Don August 23, 2010 at 8:27 pm

I feel ya Splork. I sometimes have a very difficult time staying interested. When it starts feeling to much like a J-O-B, I can take a few days off and do what I want… without regard to which day of the week it is.

Yeah this business can suck at times, but the freedom makes it sooo worth it.

For what it is worth I think you ought to setup your email list. I am subscribed to your blog via email. Your emails are among the few that I read EVERY time. That is saying a lot for you because I get a lot of email.

Don

HZ August 23, 2010 at 9:57 pm

Ramble on…..
can always use a dose of sanity (down here in the pipes) ;)

Seth August 23, 2010 at 11:03 pm

Weird post indeed.
What you and others are saying about Apps taking over really means the demise (or decline) of Google. Of course Google could reinvent itself to compensate. How do you search for information in an App only world?

I am not going to worry about that. I think we are safe for 5 more years at least and I think the chance of Google delisting my sites or moving them down in the SERPS is a much more realistic thing to worry about.

Jez August 24, 2010 at 5:07 am

“The web site is simply a collection of words that gets in the way of a pop up or landing page or sign up form”

what a gem :-D

I am working on a site and was thinking of adding a mail responder to it, it will be my fist dabble… an experiment, but like you its not really my thing… I just think it will work on this particular site.

I dont think a responder would work on this site TBH. Most mailers are a complete waste sending out cut and paste left overs from previously woeful campaigns.. garbage.

As for mobile apps taking over the web… heresy.

Yeah phone use is on the rise, I use my phone all the time… I check mails, reports, stats… I dont use FaceBook or Twitter… but if I did I would use my mobile. I can upload photos to twitter etc etc etc.

When I come to buy something tho… I may peruse on the phone, but I buy from my pc. I have yet to see anyone blow $3000 on a new macbook, switch their car insurance or mortgage or buy anything from their mobile.

Also, let us not forget one of the most popular i-phone app of all… Safari.

gnews August 24, 2010 at 6:51 am

Google News pretty much shut down its doors after that Ebook that taught everyone how to get a Google News sites – now you won’t get in unless your owned by CNN or something.

Splork August 24, 2010 at 9:18 am

Yea, I don’t know what to think about GN. I heard about that ebook and apparently the info was ripped off from someone else or something. First I’ve heard about Griz in a long time. Didn’t realize he was still publicly in the game. Like most blueprints the easy method has been shut down. Now it’s back to hard work. I’m not certain I want to put in my limited time on building one. It is a massive amount of work if done correctly. Cutting corners will no longer work or if they do now, they won’t in the future. It’s a slick way of getting top billing in Google. I do like a challenge though.

Setting up an email responder is something that really just bums me out. I hate monthly fees. And I do not like ongoing maintenance. It’s why I don’t do blogging much. I like to build static sites where I don’t have to do much with them after setting them up. Guess auto responder is not a big deal. Set and forget.

I heard something like only 20% of Internet traffic is from the web which continues to decline. Let’s say Amazon has an app. You want to buy something. Are you more likely to pull out your tablet and tap the icon and search at Amazon or are you going to go to your computer, search Google for the product and click around a bunch of bullshit affiliate sites? I think the app is going to focus the experience. I have an iPhone. There are already websites I never visit now. I simply pull up their app and read from that.

Twitter is something that we all pretty much disregard because the traffic is unfocused or whatever. But I think it might be a good idea to figure out how to use it to market your site. Twitter use is insane among the lumpen. Screen tappers might be apt to tap the link in your Twitter post which sends them to your website.

Gotta start thinking about what is coming next. I can’t put my finger on it but search seems to be changing in a way that is not good for Google. Can they adapt? Can we? Look how much fuckery we have to consider to get ranked tops of Google. A News site? A you fucking kidding me?

I’m certain that building shitty little sites and collecting emails will continue to be a way to collect money far into the future. I will continue to walk with the dinosaurs and flog static sites.

This is what burnout looks like. Confusion. Trying something new to spark an interest. Hopelessly trying to regain focus.

Robert C - The Wholesale Products Guy August 24, 2010 at 10:23 pm

If you ever want to consider outsourcing beyond just article writing you might want to check into John Jonas’s Replacemyself.com..

http://www.replacemyself.com/index.php

I have subscribed to some of his free stuff and it is not too bad. He deals exclusively with the Philippines. Also, he has turned over most – if not all his day to day operations over to his staff..

Here are a few tidbits about outsourcing from his blog…

How Outsourcing Should Work For You
http://www.jonasblog.com/2009/04/how-outsourcing-should-work-for-you.html

Robert C – The Wholesale Products Guy

Jez August 25, 2010 at 5:59 am

Yeah I am worried that “the world will remain flat and rendered in html” is a bit head in the sand… however, I considered you “Amazon App” scenario already.

That only applies to someone that is an existing Amazon customer who already knows they want to buy “Total Synthesis II” from Amazon and heads off there to buy aforementioned manual.

Currently those people go direct to Amazon and do it via their browser.

Either way, they are not going via my shitpiles to do it, and those users are worth zip to me.

Now, take car insurance. In my country there are several large comparison sites. There are also some insurance companies that pretend to reduce costs to end customers by not paying commision to “middle men”, aka comparison sites (instead handing over even larger sums for TV advertising).

So, if I want car insurance, I want to shop around several different sites, how am I gonna do that with an app?

No way in hell these comparison sites are going to themselves be compared in a comparison app. Most likely they will all put out their own apps, so now… I have the option of downloading 6 or 7 apps for rival companies… wont happen.

People who want to search lots of sites / shop around for the best deal (the ones we can make money from) are going to use a browser for some time.

The people who already know what they want, and from where they want to buy… the ones most likely to use an app are not traversing our shit heaps anyway.

I use Godaddys mobile version, I trie their app for my blackberry but it borked. I would use that app if it worked… but no one is losing affiliate commission from my purchases as I go direct to their site to buy anyway… I am an existing customer… I am not googling “where to buy cheap domain names” and going via someone elses heap.

What I do see happening is Google retreating up the great link pyramid as the slime continues to rise. The mayday update was just that IMO, abandoning smaller sites to the swamp and putting faith in the larger spam magnets.

So, going forward I think you have to build some decent mother ships to stay in the game… and, if you are lucky enough to get a real winner on your hands then you have an opportunity to create an app.

I can think of a couple of voucher code sites that will probably do this, one has already tried browser toolbars, I would be amased if they did not pimp an app in the near future… they are monster list builders btw!

Maybe apps are the new mail responders… click here to download my CrapApp and allow me to pump bilge directly to your phone in return for free information on “instant cash torrent unleasher version 14.5 worth $429.95″

I have no doubt things will get tough for old skool html pimps, but it is not the end of the road. I still read the news paper every day, I still listen to the radio… there is life in the old dog yet ;-)

Jez August 25, 2010 at 6:18 am

@Seth

Google are already trying to re-invent themselves… Google Android is a prime example… they now control a major platform on which future apps will be built along with the default browser, the default search engine for which will of course be Google….

Splork August 25, 2010 at 7:15 am

Hey Jez. What I see is some smart dude putting out their own app for your insurance scenario. Much like the website he would create today he will simply create an app that will compare all those different insurance companies and collect money via ads or whatever.

Mayday seems like it was the clarion call for little sites. I think it’s why all of a sudden Google News sites got so popular.

I too will ride HTML sites into the final flush.

Splork August 25, 2010 at 7:19 am

Hey Robert. Yea I watched one of his webinars about outsourcing. It sounded great but I am too cynical to believe it is much more than self serving.

Jez August 25, 2010 at 5:34 pm

The thing is there will not only be one app, there will be several. There are several big players all with slightly different results / metrics.

Thats what Im saying… to be sure you get the best deal you have to use more than one of these comparison sites, in an app world, you would therefore need more than one rival app installed…

But apps that do that are on their way for sure…

For voucher code sites I think they will start pimping in store offers via phones, so when you are out on the high street you can find out about promos on products in different stores, maybe geo’d to your local area, that would be powerful too.

Jez August 25, 2010 at 5:39 pm

@Robert, that replace yourself guy is an info pimp.

There is only one thing you need to crack with outsourcing, the one thing that replaceMyself guy does not help with (tho he pretends to):

Getting the right person at the right price.

Thats all there is to it, and the rest is just waffle to pad out ebooks.

If you contact me via my (under construction) splog Ill give you the low down on the guy I use…

Robert C - The Wholesale Products Guy August 28, 2010 at 12:22 am

Splork August 25, 2010 at 7:19 am

“Hey Robert. Yea I watched one of his webinars about outsourcing. It sounded great but I am too cynical to believe it is much more than self serving.”

I hear ya. I did pick up a few outsourcing nuggets from some of his free webinars . …

However, if he is harvesting a lot of “green” from his web sewer efforts – as he claims to – then I have a hard time believing that he would turn over such a substantially profitable operation like that to a bunch of people in the Philippines. Sort of like giving the keys to your house to a stranger.

@Jez Sez…August 25, 2010 at 5:39 pm..

Robert, that replace yourself guy is an info pimp. There is only one thing you need to crack with outsourcing, the one thing that replaceMyself guy does not help with (tho he pretends to):

Getting the right person at the right price. Thats all there is to it, and the rest is just waffle to pad out ebooks. If you contact me via my (under construction) splog Ill give you the low down on the guy I use…

Hey Jez..

I hear you as well. And you are right – that is the hard part. Finding someone in another country that is not going to take off with your money, your source code if you want something programmed, or just flat out leave you for another job that might pay an additional buck an hour is key..

Those are just a few things that keeps me from getting involved with outsourcing. I got burned for some major bucks in India some years back (not internet related) and shied away from anything beyond US borders. I just produce the “grist” for the Internet mill myself.

While I am not quite ready to outsource anything right now, I would not mind having some information about the individual you use. I would love to have someone in my rolodex that I could use in the future if your guy/gal is trustworthy and does good work…

I just went to your blog – http://linkbuildingreviews.com/ and looked for some personal contact information like an “admin” e-mail. Did not find it. Not sure if I should just leave a random comment on your blog or if I am missing something..

You can send me an e-mail at my site if you’d like. Thanks for the offer and any information you can provide…

Regards..

Robert C – The Wholesale Products Guy

joo November 11, 2010 at 9:26 am

“And by the way, Wired magazine says the web is dead.”

So it must be true then? Funny how people select who to believe isn’t it?

PQ

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