Savage violence, unreasoning strength, as in We hope that reason will triumph over brute force. Although this expression is also used literally to mean exceptional physical power, the figurative sense reflects the origin for brute, which comes from Latin brutus, for “heavy, stupid, unreasoning.” - Definition of Brute Force
Pete’s WSO’s has finally disgorged the culmination of all the absolute junk programs they have released over the last year in one cool package called Brute Force SEO. “Heavy, stupid and unreasoning” would be a great tagline for his products. I have stupidly bought many of his programs. Extreme Google Pages Bomber, Extreme Live Blog Article Automator, RSS SEO Explosion, GEO Authority Link Explosion and Mass Yahoo Blog 360 Article Generator. They are crap. Incredibly I also bought Brain Storm Generator about the exact time it stopped working.
I refuse to waste any more money with this dude’s programs. If past quality is indicative of the present, then I would suggest you leave those emails pimping this shit in the spam folder and not drag them out to tempt you. All those programs that are in Brute Force SEO were stand alone programs before. They didn’t work then and I have no reason they will work in a monthly membership package. I don’t care how many Master and PhD programmers are working on it. A hellavu lot of Master’s degree and PhD guys worked on Windows ME and it was utter shit too.
He makes a big deal about spamming the first three pages of Google listings with “Brute Force SEO”. It is pretty spectacular. Until Google takes notice and starts wondering WTF is going on. I can’t decide if it’s a good thing or not. I mean, if he did the same thing with a topic that mattered, say “Tour de France”, and for 3 pages all I got was the same basic listing to go to one page, as a web surfer I’d be pretty pissed. No one wants to wade through three pages of listings only to be given the same information at every webpage. It’s stupid. It doesn’t bring value and sooner or later Google will take notice. Honestly I think the idea behind it is fine. If the programs worked it would be great to have additional backlinks to your sites. We all strive to have a few links show up in the listings. But this is greedy.
Stuff like this always get overused and tired. It’s typical spammer mentality. Keep throwing in matches until the house burns down.
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Great post splork, you’re absolutely right. This guy thinks too small. However, in the other hand, with the latest strange google dances, i really don’t know what to think.
Yeah, I have been reading reviews that this is junk…half of the stuff that is promised doesn’t even work (sound familiar doesn’t it?). I bought one of Peter’s BS products earlier on…it didn’t work and since then I have pretty much washed my hands of anything that he has made.
I didn’t get sucked in on this supposed brute force SEO marketing..
I tried Pete’s BadAssRSS and though the software worked fine I found issues with it that from the first hour of the trial period had me considering cancelling.
First of all, the hoops I had to jump through just to get my download link were ridiculous. First I had to confirm my ‘subscription’ to his list. I absolutely cannot stand being told AFTER I’ve purchased a product that in order to receive the product I have to accept the developers emails.
So AFTER the paypal email, and AFTER the confirmation email, I get an email with a download link.
I think that all is well, and I download the software. Only when I try to run the application, the icon for the software doesn’t open the program.
I read the ‘read me’ file several times, and followed the directions to create a new directory and install to there because certain files will not work unless they are in the same folder as the other files. So I extracted them all to ONE file… however… the program continually extracted the one file separately from the other files and after a lot of trial and error (and not nearly a fast enough response time from ‘support’) I attempted to drag and drop the ‘icon’ for the program itself into the folder that the .dll files had extracted to, and behold that worked.
Finally, I attempted to open the program, and ANOTHER HOOP TO JUMP THROUGH, I need some kind of ‘key.’
I go read the ‘read me’ file again and it says that the ‘code’ will be emailed to me and will come from blahblahblah@blahblahwhatever.com. Well, I have no email from that address (and YES I CHECKED THE SPAM FOLDERS!)
So I go to the paypal confirmation email and try all the different product numbers, id numbers, etc that are in there. Nope.
I try the confirmation email of my confirmation email, nope, nothing in there either.
I email the address where paypal said I paid, the addrees that the email with the code was supposed to have come from and sent a PM to Pete on the WF.
After several hours, I did get a response with the proper code which did in fact work fine.
A friend of mine was using SENuke, which is supposed to be the same thing as BruteForceSEO and the same price. But a friend of hers convinced her to go with BruteForceSEO, and I talked with her about it today. I asked her if she had to jump through all the hoops as I did and her response “oh yeah”.. and her other complaint was that, once again, his directions SUCKED.
She does say that the software works fine, but that it’s a pain in the ass to deal with and she thinks she’s going to end up going back to SENuke.
I like Peter Drew well enough. Seems like he’s a good guy and wants to develop tools that actually help and he does have a good ‘software program’ what he’s lacking in is ‘customer service.’ Making the client who has already paid jump through hoops and then have to second guess instructions because yours suck and you have no real support team, is just a bad way to do business. I would like to see Pete thrive with this system, but he does need to get his proverbial shit together where his support and directions are concerned.
His direction has always sucked. He has a real hard time communicating with his users. I’ve never been able to figure out any of his shit.
Funny, she went from SENuke to BruteForceSEO. I went from BruteForceSEO to SENuke. While SENuke does have it’s little quirks it worked for me when BruteForceSEO didn’t.
Unless she was having problems with SENuke I don’t know why she would want to switch. They are almost the same.
My other experience was also the opposite from yours in that I got the software and got my key and got it running just fine, but then why I tried to do any project it just didn’t work.
I recommended it to my small list because since this was such a big deal I thought he would have learned from his past mistakes and that it would be useful to them (I’ve done what the software does by hand and the results were pretty good but it takes a long time), like being more clear this time around in his instructions (which I think he was a bit) and figure out why so many people have trouble getting the software to work and getting it the best it could be before releasing it, but it doesn’t seem to have worked that way.
It does work for a lot of people even if it doesn’t work for an equal number of people so I hope that anyone that got it through me actually is able to make it work because after I saw it was the same old thing I was embarrassed as hell that I had recommended it to them (It was only 6 people anyway).
Well, if I never get my commissions I’ll know 6 more people couldn’t use it.
Pete has some good ideas I think, and I may buy his reports even though I sometimes have to struggle to understand what he is getting at but he has to at least deal with the software situation, but then again who knows, maybe his stuff works well enough for enough people that it’s good enough for him and not worth bothering with.
I do wish SENuke had a couple of things BruteForceSEO has, but SENuke also has a lot that BruteForceSEO doesn’t so it sort of balances out.
I have been following the SENuke forum a bit. It sounds like that software is buggy as hell?
No, not really. Yea there are quirks but in my experience it works loads better (for me) than BruteForceSEO. The last update was kind of major (4.11) and it crashes on me so for now I’m still using 3.33 and it’s fine.
Yep, I wouldn’t buy this either. And why oh why do people rave about Pete on certain forums? I bought his bad ass affiliate report and recently followed up on the links in it. Guess what? Several of the urls appeared to be banned by their host. Why the hell would anyone buy his stuff? Crap.
Oh yeah, and a big thanks goes out to Pete for allowing ?? 1,500 of us to donate a $1 to get in the ever exciting pre launch phase of BruteForceSeo. Glad we could help you make rent this month. I can’t believe I paid to get on his email list.
He is a smart marketing man. His bad ass affiliate dominator guide/pdf that he released was probably done after he realized google was changing their game and if you spam so many links etc to one or a few sites google knows you are only messing up the search results and they ban you. I tried using his tactics and that is what happened to a few of my sites. His software I tested also had problems or at the very least was just so bloody un-user friendly it wasn’t funny. He knows what he is doing and banking big time.
I paid $1 for the 7 day trial of BFS. I am surprise that the customer service is really suck ! What’s more, try to comments or complaints something that’s not working abt the software in the forum, you’ll be warn and may be kicked out !
5 STAR CRAP !
Well, I have had BF SEO for a couple of months now. So far the only thing of mine that has shown up on the first and second pages of google were some articles I submitted to Ezinearticles.com. And I did not need his software to do that. I will admit that pete has worked out a lot of the bugs that were there initially, however unless I see a substantial improvement in my sight rankings I too will be a past customer…
customer service SUCKS big time, don’t even try the $1 trial… too complicated to get registered and waste too much time going thru too many hoops–the guy is arrogant and snotty… customer service stinks or is run my 8th graders…. some parts of program are still not working…
Glad I found this thread. Perhaps BFS stands for ‘Big Flaming Fart’ as there sure seems to be a lot of hot wind blowing from someone’s backside!
I cancelled my $997 subscription in the nick of time…thank god for blogs and threads like this!
Cheers,
Steve
senuke is stealing from their own affiliate sales. I sent 4 friends to purchase senuke and never got credited with a single sale they “lost” the cookie !
and now it wont work properly
the software needs constant updating because it just wont work
areebb usual reply to any problem is disable the proxy
63 % of the bookmarks are never made
and it wont create accounts properly what version were you using ?
i was paying 97 dollars and support was a joke now they have increased their price and what do they offer ?
this software is the worst although i have never tried brute force
i think i will wait a while and see if their is a clear winner before spending anymore money
and i will not be promoting senuke anymore !
After 4 months of BFSEO I made the decision to pack it in. It has been overall a frustrating experience.
It was really interesting that the person who was highlighted in the original promotion of Bruteforce Andrew Paxton has left Bruteforceseo. He has gone onto start a blog and is showing all the really inexpensive and some free tools that he uses to replace bruteforce. The motto there is no more expensive recurring tools tools.
I also found that Ed Chiasson a brilliant programmer has come out with some $10 tools that are really effective and you only pay once!
Hey Karen. Yea his shit pissed me off as well back when he was selling those free page builders for GeoCities, MS, Yahoo 360, etc. they hardly every worked and his support is maddening.
Karen hi
Yes, I did ditch bruteforce. The theory works much better than then software (which to put it mildly was buggy as hell).
As you know, I was a Beta Tester and a Moderator on the forum. Funnily enough, I never promoted bruteforce. I didn’t even have an affiliate link for it. I think I kind of realized it was never going to deliver and I didn’t really need to be making money promoting stuff I didn’t believe in.
It was the forum though that prompted me to drop out. Like I said, I was a moderator and I got pretty ticked off when threads or posts by people looking for some answers or support (or just value for money) kept getting deleted by the forum Admin (No cigar for guessing who that is).
Eventually it just got to the point where Admin responses to genuine concerns where the stock “don’t sweat the details”. As a response to somebody who is paying you $100 plus a month, “don’t sweat the details” leaves a lot to be desired.
I pretty much got peed off trying to stay one step ahead of the search engines. I got totally frustrated seeing VERY short term results which had a life-span of a few days tops. I really don’t need to be automating a process which is only going to last a couple of days in the search engine listings. What’s the point ?
I make my money working with the search engines. Indeed, my best customer is Google. Far more relaxing and far more satisfying.
Promote quality and your customers will thank you and happily buy from you again.
Andrew, you say you have never used or promoted BFSEO. So how do you explain this?
http://www.bruteforceseo.com/testimonials/andrewpaxton.html
I don’t think I ever said I didn’t use BF. I don’t use it any more.
I never promoted Brute Force. I never promoted via an affiliate link. I did have an affiliate link but when I saw how things were going in the forum I deleted all references.
When I started testing some of the modules in Brute Force initial short term results were very encouraging.
Cross-checking long term results though showed that these were not resulting from anything BF was doing.
Delving deeper into the results from RSS feeds for example led me to move to stand alone programs that do a much better job and don’t involve any monthly fees.
I had sites that showed some short term results from using BF. Long term though these sites were penalized.
If you’re into niche hopping and getting very short term results then these types of automated systems might work. Don’t use them on any type of site you want to keep long term though.
The bottom line is there are better applications around which you can buy for a one-time fee, won’t get your important sites banned, are programmed far better and have real support.
Hope that answers the question.
I have never subscibed, but thanks for the info.
Andrew, where can I find you? Paxton’s Marketing Group? As a BFS subscriber for 7 months now (and US$889 poorer) I seriously need to switch to alternatives but don’t know which alternatives to trust! Most things I try end up being rubbish. Your help would be sincerely appreciated as I need to wean myself away from BFS & PD’s overall approach. I have clients so I depend on BFS for my work but the BFS results are very short term or non-existent. Thanking you in advance.
PS/ Karen, thank for your insight too. I shall go and search for Ed.
Karen, I found Ed’s site (Internet University Tools?). One one page he is selling his PDF and software for US$47. On another for US$77 (but mentions something about a $10 beer for the PDF but no links). Can you point me in the right direction please? Many thanks.
Johnny
Best place is the Marketing Group site.
Email me for anything I can help with – more then happy to help where I can.
Guys,
I like your comments a lot, but many of them are useless and waste of time.
I have used Linking Loophole one of pete`s products, offcourse if you use it (smartly) you will get good long lasting link backs which i have gotten over the past 2 months, my site is NR.1 for 20+ keywords and many of them have 1 million searches accordingly to Google Keyword Tool. All this thank`s to Linking Loophole and SENuke…
If you spam your way with 10x links per profile and you never use it again OFFCOURSE you`ll have short term rankings because these webmasters will remove your profile.
I have gotten new .org/.com domains indexed within 12 hours, and gotten on the first page on a “brand” keyword with 5k searches monthly. Now i get in 5-10$ per day on that site. 1 Page Site i used 20min to build, i will ad 3-5 pages and get first page rankings to them as well meaning 20-50$ per day on 1 site, which would never been seen by google if i did not use these producuts!
LLH by PETE good product!!
SENuke a very good product, it has some flaw`s but 80% of their functionallities work just fine for me…!!
Try to look how much time they save you, not that you did`t make xxx.xxxx.xx$ this month, THIS IS NOT the software`s fault!
Good luck!
Adis, all I know is I bought some of his products that was supposed to make building GeoPages and Google Pages and Yahoo blogs and MSN blogs easy to build. They never worked. Support sucked ass. I even went so far to buy that Brainstorm tool. Yea, it never worked. Support? Non-existent. I will never buy another tool from that tool again. I don’t care how much people are making from his latest offerings.
The biggest crooks make the most money.
Finally, a place to rant about brute force crap…! I honestly wanted to sign up for one of his products, BUT as mentioned above I had to jump through 1 billion loopholes just to get it to work.
First, signed up for the $1 trial cuz it seemed easy enough, then got an email and downloaded program after playing hide the link for hours.
Then got the program to work and now it asks for a ‘key’ which is another treasure hunt and that takes another couple of hours.
Then, when you finally get THAT to work you can finally start using the software. Which by the way it updates every few weeks and gawd forbid updating then its the ENTIRE process ALL over again!
Very Very Very frustrating and I personally did not see any results from it. I had all my pages seo optimized, keyworded domains, targeted keyword in domain, title tag, meta tags, in bolds and self links on the webpages I was targeting. So i did my part for the most part.
Even then, no results, I sold two units in 6 months from that campaign. Now this dood has a new “evo ll” coming out. Hes been trying to launch the same damn product for months and months now. His previous sales pitch page did not clearly state exactly what he was seeling as a membership.
This guy is very very very confusing and makes it real difficult to purchase membership and set everything up properly. So anyways, that’s my rant, feel better now =)
The obvious problem with a “make money doing nothing” sales pitch like this is that if it really works like he says, then it makes no sense for him to sell it. If he can put any page at #1 on Google with a click of a button, then he could make far more money just by doing that over and over for every affiliate product out there, than he ever could doing customer service for a bunch of $150/month subscribers.
The other reason it doesn’t make sense is that, with 5000 other people out there using the same software, there’s 5000 times the chance that Google will recognize the pattern and do something to counter it. If I had a sure-fire, push-button way to put any page at #1 on Google, you couldn’t get that secret from me at gunpoint. The last thing I’d want is anyone else crowding me.
Errm, so why have you bought so many of his “crap” software? They are crap….but you keep buying them? Maybe you should find out who his copywriter is since you keep getting fooled into buying the crappy programs. Just asking?
Err, I stupidly bought his shit, oh, about 2 years ago. It was the crap that built sites on all the different blog platforms before it was merged into the Brute Force garbage. I haven’t bought anything from him since. So no, I don’t keep buying them.
If you are using EVO2 for the sake of SEO for long tail keywords in a chosen niche, it creates miracles. If you do that merely for making money online, it might be disappointing. Use it as a SEO tool as a whitehat SEO guy, and you will surely benefit…
I see this is number 2 on the Brute Force SEO term. lol, that must suck for them. However I blogged the same thing. The program doesnt work. I remember affiliates on their forum complaining that nobody ever converted. Now I know why. The best software I’ve yet to purchase for affiliate marketing is Micro Niche Finder. It’s the best at what it does and it’s a one time fee. I just found an awesome keyword where the exact competition was 82.. lol Love this little software. Anyways, great blog!
Thats good this blog shows up for the term Brute Force SEO at the top of the page. People need to know it’s utter Piece of CR*P before spending hard earned money into buying this POS software. Oh and BTW. That linking loophole is useless. The big G is already onto those links and have devalued them so don’t waste you’re time or HARD earned money.
I saw his ad for EVO2. It looks interesting. Expensive. I’m sure it will do what is say it will…for about a week. Then it will turn to shit and he’ll build some other crap. Maybe call it RipYouOffee3.
Like I mentioned before, I bought all his offerings to build these backlink properties. None of it worked. Support sucked ass.
His shit may earn you millions of dollars a day, but I refuse to be sucked into buying his crap ever again. You know the saying: once burned shame on you…twice burned shame on me. $159/month. That is almost 20 domains you can buy. Or that is a lot of hosting.
Nay sayers again , the software is amazing and achieves in 1 hours what would normally take weeks. You even get a free week to try it out for gods sake.
Are you telling me he will let it work for 1 week trial then mysteriously everything stops when you hit the big buck subscription.
Anyway i will use the software and laugh as you guys work your fingers to the bone for a page 5 listing
I’ve bought his tools. A whole bunch of them. They ALL stopped working. No support. He quit updating them and rolled the remains into Brute Force or whatever. I will never buy this dude’s stuff ever again. $1 or no. I’m not wasting a single penny on the shit. I’ll sooner buy SENuke if I want to spam.
I tried out the Brute Force SEO week’s trial on one of my random affiliate marketing sites. I figured if it does what it says and produced high quality back links almost over night I would subscribe. It did give a few PR 0 back links but that was it. it didn’t give me any high PR back links as promised or a boost in rankings. I have been using Traffic-Bug for about 6 months now which I find does an excellent job at generating loads of low-mid PR back links and the occassional high PR back link by submitting your websites and webpages to directories. I think a tool such as this is far more useful than a seemingly spam like tool such as Brute Force since although these directories are low-mid PR now a lot of them are new and as they grow so to will there PR and hence the quality of your backlinks from them. I think the saying goes that if it seems to good to be true then it generally is.
Hi Allen thanks for the info.But are you sure that google has already devalued those profile type of links that linking loophole generates ? I have been using linking loophole for almost two months now and i did saw some initial increase in four my website ranking but its too early for me to arrive at a decision for whether continuing as a subscriber for LL as SEO takes time.
@ Justin
if you saw an increase in rankings then its because of other SEO efforts, i used linking loophole only for testing purposes and if you use it then you will eventually see drop in rankings…why? because the webmasters will eventually remove your links because they know they are being spammed by literally thousands of people. the links peter uses in linking loophole are from link packets that are spammed all over the internet. and when the moderators start removing your links you will see horrible seo practices as seen by go0gle…just fair warning.
great discussion guys – my gut feeling was right – keep away from the bright shiny objects!
LOL
And here I was thinking should I get brute force seo tonight…
A big “HELL NO!” to that! LOL
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